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Research for the cnc Multimachine
  • Okay I have long been interested in open manufacturing, and have been reading and thinking about the projects lately, and thought if I am going to think about it I should keep notes to add the veiw from my eyeballs of the problem.

    Here are my comments regarding the CNC multimachine.

    Okay, so the first thing is to settle on some performance parameters, which I think comes down to the various measures of accuracy (roundness, overall accuracy for various materials and cutting tools other given parameters like cutting speed, and cutting power, which determines max metal removal rate).

    From the science of tribology and what I have found while looking into the steam engine, it seems like high accuracy may well be worth going for, because things like hydrodynamic bearings, long lasting parts and high performance parts become an option. Like 1 micron roundness (typical lathes are 1.3 to 2.6) may well be worth going for, and I don't know exactly wha tthe overall accuracy would be, but hydrodynamic bearings can be made with commercial EDM probe equipment, which is IIRC from reading patents about 10 microns (needs verification). The surface finish is also critical and needs to be kept in mind, electropolishing and vibratory ultrafinishing might be doable on a small scale.

    Metal removal rate is unfortunately approximately proportional to the cutting power available. So if we want high production rates then we are talking high powers and forces and vibrations. I'm not sure that that is necesarilly worthwhile because a ton of value can be generated even with relatively slow machines that are sufficiently accurate; consider making the pistons for the CEB press for instance. They IIRC are like $350 each, but you could make quite a lot of them in one day if you had a lathe capable and sufficently accurate, if you could do the casting and machining for 20 pistons in one day that is $7000 from <50 bucks of pure steel and chemicals for the chrome plating or whatever. So enormous utility can be obtained from even a slow machine. (and the mfgrs must be making an obscene profit??).<br />
    vibration damping:

    I know some stuff about soundproofing, and drawing on this there are several ways of dealing with this problem that I can think of:

    viscous damping , convet the mecahnical motion to heat, can use viscoelastic stuff like greenglue
    frinction dampint (similar physics) again to heat, this is done wiht fiberglass with sound but maybe not applicable here dunno, would have to think of a way

    mass damping (reflecting vibrations or preventing their occurence, the amount of momentum imparted to mass a by a colision with mass b is time x force dividied by mass (velocity) x mass (momeentum is velocity x mass) so if there is a buffer between them that unlike a spring does not return the energy required to compress it (to must to some degree to reset the system for the next motion that is to be absorbed though, so there will need to be an elastic component too) then calculate the kinetic energy in mass a after the impact and mass b before and that is how much got converted to heat. You can get a fair ways with just thinking newtonian mechanics and including the time domain, which is particularly important to account for resonance including all harmonics in any areas where there is both a spring (equivalent of a capacitor in an LC circuit) and a mass (inductor) .

    also mass damping works on both sides f the absorber in this case as the amount of kinetic energy imparted to the cuttin gtool will also be reduced when it is subject to a particular shock

    decoupling, which we cant use, the goal there is to reduce the force-displacement relation, but we need it high at least at low frequencies, although with scanner feedback(see below) it could conceivably be done for higher frequencies, and the inevitable decrease in coupling at low freqeuncies using this method could be compensated for

    active damping would use peizoelectric elements, either embedded in the frame or even right on the bit holder, might be hard and expensive, might not be needed. Need to check element costs.

    Reduce reduce reduce generation in the first place by going to town with lubricants or whatever other techniques are available.

    You want to start the process of dealing with vibes as close to the vibration source as you can, because pretty much all we can do is do divide by operations on the vibration signal. Signal dividers don't cost much less when dealing with a weaker signal, so go to where the signal is loudest, and divide it there to get the highest quantity of energy converted to heat before it escapes to elsewhere. In optimal combination with reducing the production of vibrations as well as practical.

    two half size devide by operations can get you better bang for the amount of materials, so better bang for your buck sometimes.
    - what exactly causes the vibrations here? elastic deformation and springing back?

    - so suggestions: make the cutting head holder and the chuck/the end holder thing as massive as possible, then if that is not enough move on to the structure, the cutter heat should be easy, but the chuck would produce vibes itsself if not

    see attachment for the rest, the forum software would not allow the full length post, also it is in txt because I was not allowed to upload it in rich text format
     
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  • oh also International tolerance grades (wikipedia) are a better measure of accuracy, sorry.
     
  • maybe Ican post the rest as separate comments

    balanced, balancing the chuck coudl be done by hand much like is done for propellors. if that is not enough look into constrained layer damping and other methods of viscous damping.

    - power = forcexdistance/time so keep the rotational speed high to increase the cutting speed reduce forces while gettin gthe same power, thereby reducing the stiffness that the machine structure requres and reducing cost, question to machinists: to what extent can this be done practically? From what I have found the main problem seems to be increased wear on tool bits, and of course at some point the imbalance of the rotational parts will cause vibrations and errors. Using multiaxis machining could really help here because the cutting but can turn real fast. Think about a lathe that can do 25 micron accuracy vs. the CNC mills, with those large elasitcally deformable and play-contributing xyz structures separating the workpeice from the cutter, which can actually acheive higher accuracy.

    -Frictional and viscous damping much reduce the spike in vibration transmission at the resonant frequency
    - higher frequencies are much easier to absorb than lower so if we could shift the frequency of vibration generated that woud help too, depends on how it is generated
    -proper and generous lubrication may help, could have an oil filter and reuse system

    -like the multimachine, doing things in a clever way with enough foresight allows the system to perform multiple functions without reducing performance of any one,

    -we don't need bothe accuracy and speed at the same time, remember when computing required stiffness, can do a rough cut followed by finish cut

    It seems like agood idea to creating a variety of preliminary designs organized by basic principles (e.g. turning bit vs. turning workpeice) and look into the details for the all to at least some degree, whatever there is time for, then choose the best one, that takes the design process what-ifing process to a sensible conclusion and lays out the thought processes for transparency.

    It will also be of use to others in the future to know not only your conclusions but what you considered along the way, otherwise they are left wondering if you considered and rejected something they think might be a good idea, or if you didn't even think of it (basically like taking documentation of the design rationale one step further). One simple example of this is for the lifetrack wheels: Steel wheels were used on farm equipment before vulcanized rubber was invented, were steel wheels considered and rejected or do they not make sense due to problems with road transport or something?

    This also reduces the demand to produce a perfect product on the first go; making a good base to the extent of resources available but also leaving tracks to makes further improvement by others easier. Some projects are an order of magnitude more difficult than others and cannot be brought all the way to "done" with these resources, but good progress can still be made which also produces something (very) useful in the meantime.


    Contact free machining for high accuracy gets around the structural problems but might be slow, then again maybe not, need to check not assume, edm is used in production equipment

    Using computer compensation for part wear and flexure of workpeice and structure etc. could help a great deal and is free to copy.
    Maybe it could be formalized into a coherent system like this: Have a computer model of the whole lathe, including physics simulations of flexing of the structure, bit wear rate, wear of bearings etc. include data from the Open source machinability genome project and other reference information,

    next, the model is used to produce a simulation. The parameters in the simulation are then entrained to the real world lathe periodically using sensor data of all sorts - as much or as little is available. Sensors could include encoders and workpeice scanners that scan the workpeice in near real time, allowing feedback about how accurately the part has actually been cut, and the ensuing opportunities for compensation.

    Good computer compensation software is not only free to copy, it could make the thing cheaper and easier to build for a given accuracy and speed. Also helps with lifetime design and reducing operator skill requirements.

    This can be done to whatever little or big extent possible, but the earlier desgin steps might
     
  • be better with it all in mind i.e. vibration or excessive play in bearings, lack of workspace etc. is not something that could practically be compensated for in software, so maybe focusing on that sort of thing would be good. Also leaving bolt on points for suitable sensors etc.


    Hypothetically, a milling machine that could also turn the workpeice, with essentially all the cutting power coming from the mill head though, could produce rotationally symmetric parts that are as accurate as the mill is. This is a variant of so called multiaxis milling and I have seen pages for producton cnc multi axis machines that are advertised as a replacement for cnc lathes. In between is "live bit" lathing, where some but not all of the power comes from a rotating bit, this is apparently common and desirable on cnc lathes. Since the forces are I think lower for a millor router (or grinder) bit due to the high speed and the power relationship mentioned above this might make a lot of sense. Question for machinists: what are the downsides to this approach? Is there anything you can't do with a multiaxis mill that you can do with a lathe? poor surface finish?

    Sensors:
    A single chip scale camera like often used on laptops might be useable as a digital microscope if the lense location was changed. The equations for focal lenght are high school physics but I forget the details (fresnel equations?) but if a lens is focussed on a 1 square mm area, and the sensor is 1000 pixels by 1000 then that can give a resoluion of 1 micron. such sensors are small so the optical paths can be too. Note a color sensor has 3 pixels, also pixel interpolation can increase effective resolution.

    Such a sensor has a myriad of uses when combined with software, if it were directed at the journal bearings of the x y axis then it could recognise the scratches on the surface and determine the position of the bearing to a high precision.

    3d point cloud generation using stereo imaging may be practical here (see the reprap metalica project documentation), so two could be used together maybe as a scanner. Maybe one with multiple led light sources from different directions that turned on and off? Saw hewlett packard project doing this once I think on the antikithera mechanism project. Also: as an image goes out of focus the points become circles. These circles are still detected and you could hypothetically compute the image information from their locations, I have heard I think of images being "digitally focussed" in this way. that would effectively increase depth of field

    - an array of microlenses focusing each cone of the image feild on a designated pixel ? Could eliminate the focus problem Maybe such sensors are available.
    -mills like the modela have sensors some of them optical check out how suitable they migh tbe
    -could maybe use interferometry with stufff from old cd players for encoders and maybe a slow scanner of it is not available in product form, the gorilla tech scanner apparently works on somtehing like this don't know the details
    -to compensate for bit wear etc. don't really need a scanner per se, if the measurement points are far appart on the workpeice that can still be fine, so a single distance measurement device could be okay, to use it while working would have to be have a short exposure time so to speak or the motion would blur the measurement
    - this depends on the light sensitivity of the image sensors, although the image can be very brightly illuminated since unlike with a normal microscope overheating is not a problem
    - top eye software might be useful with cheaper hardware says it is "open" http://www.micro-optik.com/htm/top-eye.php
    -example excoder for calibration http://www.aculux.com/Alignment.htm maybe others that are cheaper, we can have the area dark if filtering out other light sources is difficult , maybe could measure the resonant frequency of a gap using an optical photodiode and laser diode, measuring frequency accurately and precisely is realtively easy, if length is 400 mm , resonanly freq is 750 MHz, if can measure frequency to withing 1 kHz precisely that corresponds to 400,000 microns/750,000 = 0.53 microns, since the light beam is straight this could potentially be used for calibration. Also highly resistant to dirt etc., could be used as encoder, this could also be done using the journal bearings as a resonator, skipping the need for any optical equipment and giving high precision, but the journal may not be straight though.

    Could use a peice close to the bit for the mill, pont the 3 laser sensors at it (maybe have it a small white retroreflector like stopsigns, the geomerty of the micro prisms migh tbe an issue, changine reflection path depending on angle? still maybe okay for several micron accuracy) and measure the actual position of the head of the bit, if a diffuse or retroreflector is used, the pointing og the sensors does not have to be very acccurate, might even be better to keep it stationary for precision but then the power of the treturn signal might be an issue, it coul be made to operate ontly in the dark.

    another ption might be to use a laser diode, very small light source basically,maybe a fisheye lense, flash it at a known frequency and then measure the resonant frequency of the round trip, but then inductances of the wire etc could interfere. Wan to to send it there and back along the same or known path ideally. An electrical engineer may be able to do things like this readily, the high speed counters are available to do it digitally even, "direct sequencing" radios are an example, or hybrid analog/digital approach similar to a phase locked loop? Highly accurate can oscillator components are like precision and accuracy in a tin for a couple bucks.

    ideally 3 measurement devices could be placed on the mill bed or side of the lathe. They could measure the distance to a point on a calibration bit or designated point og the xyz carriage, meant to reflect the signal or whatever, to very high precision and preferrably accuracy.
    Only one sensor and a rotating 2 axis turret of sorts could work, but then you need to know the angular position of the turret to very very high accuracy and precision which is hard, and the mechanical parts would have to be machined, would wear etc.

    could take a hybrid approach with the 3 meausrement devices each with emitters and recievers using the same fisheye omni lense and a half silvered mirror, attached directly to the bed, then have a turret whose purpose is to shade the sensor from all reflections except the ones from the expected position of the callibration reflector, thus eliminating echos from other sources. That could so work.

    Holography could be used too, should be in the dark, needs camera, laser with reasonable coherence length (diodes can in fact work sometimes) and software to keep track of the fringes in the image, use a white target attached to the cutting head, one problem might be that it would be too accurate, fringes would move too fast due to vibration for the camera to keep track of, it is also open loop, might be useful for calibration though, in that case machine would have to be designed with the system in mind, places to bolt put the lasers etc.

    those digital calipers are very accurate but relatively inexpensive, they use capapcitive sensing (bit like a touchpad on a laptop), an array of electrodes presumably etched with the help of lithography (organized herarchically) detects the position of the ground electrode which is the lower jaw of the caliper

    I think this guy:http://openlathe.wikidot.com/controls-discussion says he was getting 2.5 microns over 24 inches with digital readout model, whatever encoders are used for that, need to check prices
     


  • bearings:
    There are ball bearing options in which the bearing raceway fits the bearing almost exactly, producing line loading liek a roller bearing not point loading seen with other ball bearings, increasing their load handling capacity by 13x oer so compared with other ball bearings, these might be useful to reduce play in the spindles if roller bearings have issues

    Th linear bearings might be better as journal bearings not ball or rollers, if surfaces are flat and polished enough whoudl be fine, a lubricant layer will always be present between them and they can provide high stiffness, could be polished or maybe ground rectangular stock, bearing clamped to it . Fluid bearings might be okay too, very fine (like 1 micron) oil filters are cheap so any oil that leaks can be recovered and reused
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/10942780/Tribological-and-Design-Parameters-of-Lubricated-Sliding-Bearings
    they could eb sealed with a sort of rubber accordion maybe to exclude dust and debris for very long life

    don't have to do all this, but figuring things out so that the hardware that is made is adequate to support these things down the road so that others can use it as a stepping stone to something more ideal, in other words focus on a good foundation. Also the documentation itsself is a project that would be useful later.

    fluid bearings, oil or ferrofluid

    - see the wikipedia article on lathes, the swiss lathe has a support near the cuttin area, how do we do this in a practical way?

    also some links, which are not in the downloadable file

    http://www.manufacturingtalk.com/news/agi/agi215.html

    http://www.brighthub.com/engineering/mechanical/articles/44734.aspx says power proportional to removal rate
    http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/milling-horsepower also
    http://www.tjmach.com/turningHorsePower.htm so does
    http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/turning
    more d3tail and reliable http://www.ctemag.com/aa_pages/2009/0901_Facemilling.html plus reference , indicatees it chagnes sligthly with inch per turn (ipt) also has stuff on cuttin g force for amillin gmachine not very accurate though

    guy:http://openlathe.wikidot.com/controls-discussion says he was getting 2.5 microns over 24 inches with digital readout model, whatever encoders are used for that
     

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